Sunday, January 19, 2014

Daniel Damascus Kimery talks to Mat Gleason about Sobriety and Sports Art

Daniel Damascus Kimery
Daniel Damascus Kimery
Have you really been sober over 20 years?
  • Mat Gleason
    Mat Gleason
    December was 20 years
    • Daniel Damascus Kimery
      Daniel Damascus Kimery
      I have been sober for 3 days and it's already getting on my nerves
      Holy Shit.
      • Mat Gleason
        Mat Gleason
        find a hobby and eat a lot of candy
        • Daniel Damascus Kimery
          Daniel Damascus Kimery
          Even if it is just alcohol that you qit for that long I am still very impressed
          no
          • Daniel Damascus Kimery
            Daniel Damascus Kimery
            sugar is the number one killer
            • Mat Gleason
              Mat Gleason
              quit caffeine in 2012
              • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                Daniel Damascus Kimery
                Wow
                You are on a higher level
                • Mat Gleason
                  Mat Gleason
                  alcohol is metabolized in your system as sugar -a beer has more metabolized sugar than a snickers bar
                  • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                    Daniel Damascus Kimery
                    I am a Mutuel at The Race Track. I make about 20 an hour when you addtips in
                    good point
                    How do you deal with the art industry being sober seeing as how it is rife with drunks and drug heads?
                    • Mat Gleason
                      Mat Gleason
                      i just smile
                      they are their trip and i am on mine
                      • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                        Daniel Damascus Kimery
                        Do you like Horse Races?
                        There is a huge Market for Horse Racing Art where do you stand on this trend?
                        • Mat Gleason
                          Mat Gleason
                          I lose my asswhen I play the ponies.
                          In art i do not follow the market I follow the artists
                          • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                            Daniel Damascus Kimery
                            One of My Mentors Gary Simons got countless multithousand dollar commissions through that genre
                            cool
                            so you mean that you have bet at the tracks before
                            • Mat Gleason
                              Mat Gleason
                              oh yeah
                              Santa Anita
                              • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                and you never seem to have any luck there at least with betting on horses?
                                • Mat Gleason
                                  Mat Gleason
                                  They just closed Hollywood PArk here, beautiful track
                                  I tried to get Bukowski to tell me his system but he wouldn't
                                  • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                    Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                    So you are into Horse Racing then?
                                    If not what draws you to it?
                                    • Mat Gleason
                                      Mat Gleason
                                      I used to gamble on anything
                                      Now I jsut gamble on art
                                      • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                        Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                        Holy shit that is deep
                                        Do you mind if I post that?
                                        • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                          Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                          That is what I love about you Mat even though I have never met you in person I can tell that you live your life like an open book.
                                          What sort of Art is Coagula taking a gamble on right now?
                                          • Mat Gleason
                                            Mat Gleason
                                            The only way I know how
                                            Coagula is taking a gamble on a variety of art
                                            eggs are in many baskets
                                            • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                              Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                              I hear you. Owning a Commercial art Gallery can be a lot like owning a Race Horse huh? It's all a game of skill and risk.
                                              • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                I'm sorry for stearing the conversation like I always do, but after talking with you about Vanity Galleries and what is wrong with the Art World and how they mostly tend to plague small towns I thought it would be good to talk about what is good in the Art Industry and from what I am seeing people( even people who aren't in to Art) are having an overwhelming reaction to Sports Art especially as it purtains to equine and canine racing art
                                                • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                  Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                  this is high stakes big money
                                                  and some of these owners are so rich that they are commissioning world class artist to portray their animals
                                                  • Mat Gleason
                                                    Mat Gleason
                                                    He I would love a portrait of my dog
                                                    • Mat Gleason
                                                      Mat Gleason
                                                      HEY I WOULD LOVE A PORTRAIT FO MY DOG
                                                      • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                        Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                        exactly
                                                        there are people in this world that would pay a million dollars for a painting of their dog
                                                        straight commission
                                                        I'm sure that I could google references
                                                        Speaking of Arkansas will you ever come Visit Alice Walton's Crystal Bridges Museum?
                                                        It is supposed to be one of the best in The Continent.
                                                        If not as a businessman then at least as a patron?
                                                        • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                          Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                          I hope so
                                                          I would love to see an article about it in Coagula Art Journal
                                                          You can always stay at my place if you ever come to Arkansas.
                                                          She also owns Walmart btw.
                                                          • Mat Gleason
                                                            Mat Gleason
                                                            I know a little about Alice, yeah
                                                            • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                              Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                              lol
                                                              I'm just fucking with you.
                                                              You showed be on the phone who the alpha male is.
                                                              At least Intellectually.
                                                              Thank you for talking with me Mat.
                                                              Consider my offer. I have a Cabin on Lake Hamilton.
                                                              You can check out Hot Springs and Little Rock too while you're here.
                                                              • Mat Gleason
                                                                Mat Gleason
                                                                maybe one day - good night DDK
                                                                • Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                                  Daniel Damascus Kimery
                                                                  Gnite. Thanks again for wasting your time on me. lmao
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                                                                    Monday, January 6, 2014

                                                                    Alan Bamberger talks about Vanity Galleries

                                                                    Art Contests, Competitions, Offers & Shows
                                                                    Where You Pay Up Front:

                                                                    Will They Get You Anywhere?
                                                                    Or Are They Dead Ends, Time Wastes or Scams?







                                                                    All artists wanna sell lots of art and get lots of press and have lots of shows and be lots of famous, right? Well, any artist who's made it will tell you that achieving these goals is a long, arduous and step-by-step process. That said, there's no shortage of artists out there who not only want it fast but who also believe they can get it fast. For those of you who fall into that category, there's no shortage of promises and propositions floating around-- offers to streamline the process and advance you to the endgame, some of which sound immensely compelling and all which can be yours for varying amounts of outlay-- either cash or art or both. Yes, in exchange for your hard earned dollars you can have endless opportunities to be in artist contests, competitions, exhibitions, annual juried shows, included in annual directories or guides, get gallery representation or exhibitions or shows and more. Now some of these offers and invitations may well be worthwhile, but unfortunately many turn out to be wastes of time or money or at worst, outright scams. We all want it now, but please, whatever the proposal, use common sense and investigate it fully first. Maybe much of what you're about to read is stuff you already know, but just to make sure we're gonna review and refresh anyway. Keep in mind that not all "opportunities" similar to those itemized here are problematic; some may actually get you somewhere. But any solicitation involving either your money, your art or both should be regarded with caution. There's hardly anything more irritating than sending your money or your art off into the cosmos and receiving little or nothing in return, or worse yet, getting hoodwinked by a hustler. So let's play safe, play smart and bolster the knowledge base... CAREER MOVES THAT NEED TO BE RESEARCHED FIRST: * Paying for mailing or email lists of galleries, agents, collectors or any other arts-related professionals, businesses or institutions that can supposedly advance your art career. This is often a waste of time and money not only in terms of buying the lists, but also with respect to time and costs of crafting professional sounding emails or if you're sending actual mail, designing and printing mailers. Mail or email lists tend to be arbitrary and non-targeted (and often not even accurate), meaning that the overwhelming majority of recipients will have absolutely no interest in your art right from the start, and the rest will likely have no interest either because they have no idea who you are or why you're contacting them. The right way to do it? Research potential galleries or art world contacts one by one to determine whether your art is something they might be interested in seeing more of and learning more about. Getting personal is the only way to go. Still itching to buy that mailing or email list? Ask the company selling the last for the names of 20 artists who have already bought it, call or email those artists and find out how effective the list was. If they refuse to give names, move on. * Galleries that want a chunk of money up front to give you shows or wall space, especially those that tantalize you with the prospect of exposure in major art centers like New York or London, and especially those with fees ranging into the thousands of dollars. To begin with, what incentive does any venue have to sell your art when you pay them in advance? Certainly a lot less than they have if the only way they make their money by selling your art (like most galleries do). Plus you have to assess whether these galleries even know who you are or what your art looks like or whether they're just spamming from an email or mailing list they assembled or bought. It's your responsibility to find these things out. (Hint: I occasionally get offers to pay to show my art at galleries, but guess what? I'm not an artist.) By the way, some of these galleries make it seem like all artists pay for their shows, no matter what galleries they show at. THIS IS NOT TRUE AND IT NEVER WILL BE. And some of these galleries make it seem like they have a selection process for the artists they exhibit. Again, it's your responsibility to know that process is, and to get specific details directly from the source. You want it to be something more than you write them a check; they give you a show. Having said all this, if you're still interested in paying for a show and the gallery seems genuinely interested in you and your art, make sure you stand some chance of getting a reasonable return on investment by fully researching the opportunity first. Either ask the gallery for the names of at least 10 to 20 artists who have paid for shows there or take the names of 10 to 20 artists off the gallery's website. Call or email those artists, and ask how successful their shows were, how much art they sold, whether they would do it again, etc. If enough of them give you the thumbs-up, go for it. * Show offers that promise reviews of your art, exposure to curators or museums, significant advertising and other forms of art world publicity in exchange for a fee. Again, verify all such claims. Which curators will see the art? What publications will print the reviews and are they in-house (published by the people giving you the show or exposure) or ones widely respected in art world? Which critics will write the reviews (or have written reviews of past shows or events)? What publicity will you get? Where will the advertising appear? What past successes can the gallery or enterprise report? Do they even know who you are and what your art looks like or is their offer simply part of a mass mailing or emailing? Once again, either ask them for the names of 10-20 artists who have paid for these services or take those names off the offerer's website and call or email them to find out what they got for their money. * Competitions, juried shows, contests, or annual exhibitions where you pay to participate, especially those held at retail galleries, especially those without a history or tradition or without recognizable jurors or sponsors or locations, especially those with healthy entry fees. (be aware some of these organizations hire people from known institutions to jury their shows. Even when a juror or jurors are known, always investigate fully before paying.) Verify the history, tradition, significance, and jurors of any such offer before entering or sending money. Verify that they have a track record of successfully getting their exhibiting artists somewhere. For example, I received an offer not too long ago about a competition that had supposedly been going on for the better part of 20 years. I emailed the sponsor and asked them to email me the winners of their past competitions in this series and-- you guessed it-- I never heard back. Still thinking about entering? Then you know the drill-- get the names of artists who have already participated, either from the website's lists of previous participants or directly from the people producing the competition, and do due diligence. Whether they won or lost is not what you're after, but rather did they get ANY feedback or positive response or career advancement with respect to their art whatsoever? If you're gonna pay, it's always nice to get something in return. Simply seeing pictures of your art on a website or hanging in a show may be personally gratifying, but is that enough? * Books, magazines, or other types of directories that offer to include your bio and images of your art in exchange for anywhere from hundreds to thousands of dollars. Some publishers claim that they send their publications out to thousands (or more, sometimes many more) of international dealers, curators, museums, distributors, and collectors. Any such claims MUST be verified, not only in terms of whether the purported recipients actually receive the publications, but more importantly, whether they take them seriously. Before you send any money, ask for the names of 10-20 museums, galleries, or significant art world notables who receive the publication, and then selectively contact them to see whether they're ever heard of it, seen it, or taken it seriously. Ask where you can buy the publication. More importantly, tell them where you live and ask where you can see a copy of the publication. Ask for the names of people in the area who can show you a copy of the book. If you get evasive answers to these kinds of requests and come away without being able to see a copy of the publication... well, you know the rest. * A variation on the above example is periodicals that will give you an article in exchange for purchasing a certain amount of ad space. People in the art business know which publications operate this way... and generally do not take their content very seriously because it's based on who pays rather than on who's good. Again, always research first. Contact artists who've taken out ads or who have been featured in articles and see what they have to say. If you hear enough positives, go ahead and participate. If not, it's probably best to move on. * Websites offering to sell your art online for a fee. For instance, I once received an invitation to sell my art (I'm not an artist, remember?) on "one of the world's most important art sites." Corroborate all such claims with concrete proof, in this case, that this website is indeed a major online player. You can check any website's traffic and rankings on Alexa. FYI, that "world's most important art site" turned out to be anything but. Then contact participating artists who show on the site to see how they're doing and find out what kinds of returns they're getting on their investments. Selling art online is never easy, especially if you're not well known, especially on a website that offers thousands of works of art by hundreds of artists-- selling art against these kinds of odds is almost like winning the lottery. * Unsolicited offers from total strangers to build you a website that will sell lots of art. * Unsolicited offers from total strangers to get you high rankings on online search engines. * Anyone who wants money up front to be your agent, broker, or representative. As with galleries where you pay up front, these individuals have little incentive to peddle your art when you pay them first. In fact, paying them to represent you may actually be a disincentive-- they've already made their nut. But wait; it can get even worse. For example, you pay them X amount of dollars to represent you for three months or six months or whatever, the time passes, they sell nothing, and then they ask for more money, perhaps giving you the impression that sales are in the offing, it takes time to get your name out there, whatever. For those of you who insist on pursuing a fee-based agent or representative, ask for names of artists who they represent. Get at least ten names, preferably more, and find out how often and how much those artists sell through that agent or representative. Now if a healthy percentage of the artists report that they're making money after expenses, fine. Otherwise, you're taking your chances. * First-time contracts with dealers, agents, or galleries you're not familiar with or haven't done business with before that require long-term exclusivity agreements (greater than six months or a year) to be your sole representatives over large geographical areas like statewide or nationally or internationally, reproduction rights to works of your art that pay no residuals or royalties to you, or similarly one-sided concessions. * Offers to purchase get-rich-quick instructional books or courses that supposedly teach you how to make big money selling art on eBay, online, or in any other circumstance. * Any offer from anyone who does not know who you are or what your art looks like, for example, emails from individuals or organizations that begin with the words "Dear Artist." TIPS FOR EVALUATING OFFERS OR PROPOSALS: * To begin with, does any email correspondence you receive include a strict disclaimer that instructs you not to share its content with anyone, or asks you to delete it from your computer for any reason? If yes, find out why the sender would not want as many people to know about their offer as possible. Individuals or businesses offering opportunities for artists, or soliciting artists to participate, generally want as many artists to know about and sign up for them as possible. They also tend to post them freely to social networking websites, encourage people to share them, post them on calls-for-artists websites, and do whatever else they can do to get the word out. Instructing people not to tell anyone about their offers is not at all typical, and cause for concern. * Find out how they heard about you. Ask what they know about you. Ask them to describe your art. If they're so sure they can advance your career, you would assume they know who you are and what your art looks like. The truth? Often, you're little more than a name on a bulk mailing or email list, and those making the offers have no idea who you are. It's your job to separate out those genuinely interested in your art from those genuinely interested in your money. * Ask for references including enough contact information to verify that they are who they're represented as. These include names of artists who have sold well, gotten shows, gotten reviews, or won prizes as a result of their participation in whatever is being offered. Verify that whoever or whatever it is has the reputation or influence they claim to have in the art community. Third-party press in established art world publications or reviews by respected critics are always good signs. * You are perfectly within your rights to ask organizers about past shows or events, specifically, estimated number of sales, attendance figures, satisfaction of artists, "return on investment" or about any other concerns you might have. If you don't get the information you're looking for-- and especially if you get run-around answers, hostile answers, evasive answers, answers that throw everything back on you, etc-- then this is likely NOT an opportunity for you. You want straightforward direct honest responses from people who seem to be concerned about you and your artistic well-being. If the organizers make claims about getting artists exposure, providing resources or giving access to certain sectors of the public that you wouldn't otherwise have, then you deserve to know exactly what that means-- in terms of concrete verifiable results. * Does the application clearly state whatever fees you'll be required to pay if you get accepted? Are all fees clearly displayed somewhere on the website or in the email making the offer? If not, why not? Before you fill anything out, get complete disclosure on costs. If websites or emailers are less than forthcoming or responsive when you ask about costs, it's best to move on. In general, beware of any offers that initially come across as being free, but actually charge for services. * If your email correspondences with an organization or website making an offer puts any kind of pressure on you to sign up, be careful. For example, if they claim the offer is a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity" or make other representations in terms of international exposure, career advancement, etc, ask them to explain exactly what they mean-- with facts. * If an email or website lists stores, galleries, institutions or other retail outlets where their publication or publications are distributed and available for sale, call those places to confirm that this is actually the case. Only being available on amazon.com, print-on-demand sites, their own websites, or other mega-sites that sell millions of books and publications is not enough. * If an email or website claims that they get large amounts of online traffic, check those claims out on Alexa. Compare their website's rankings to those of websites that you're familiar with in order to verify that those claims are in fact true (or otherwise). * Search online using the title of the event, or the name of the gallery or individual making the offer. Exercise due diligence here; don't just read a few top search results (those results may belong to the parties making the offers). And watch out when all you come up with are press releases written by the parties making the offers, and posted on free press release websites. You want realistic assessments from third parties. * Search online using the names of the individuals or businesses or offers along with words like "complaint", "scam", "spam", "warning", "fraud", "legal", "judgment", "court", "defendant", "creditor", "bankruptcy" and see what comes up. You can never be too careful. * Does the organization sponsoring the offer say they're a non-profit? If yes, verify that by typing their name into this IRS Charity and Non-Profit search form. * If you get an email that mentions certain works of your art, your art in general, or seems otherwise personally intended for you, copy phrases directly from the email of perhaps 5-15 words each (one phrase at a time), put them in quotes, and search them on Google. You want to determine whether the exact same email has been sent out repeatedly and to multiple artists. * Type the address of the venue into Google, locate it on Google Maps and Google Street View. Does the organization have a physical gallery, an office, a home office, a post office box? * Speak to a principal either by phone, Skype (with camera on), or in person. * When verifying claims, never accept generalities. For instance, a statement like "this publication will be distributed to museums worldwide" is not adequate. You want specific names and contact information. Complete contact information is essential-- names, street addresses, phone numbers, websites, emails. * Always remember-- fame is not bought; it's earned. POSSIBLE SCAMS: * Offers to purchase your art, the purchase to be paid for by one party, and the art shipped to another party. This often results in a complaint that the art was never received and a subsequent request for a complete refund. * Offers to pay for your art in forms of cash, including wire transfer to your bank account, money order, Western Union, cashier's check, escrow services, or personal check-- especially when the amount of the payment is greater than the cost of the art (you're supposed to cash the money order or whatever, then send the buyer the art plus the amount of the overpayment. The bad news? The check or money order often turns out to be counterfeit). * Credit card purchases (assuming you accept credit cards) where the name of the purchaser does not match the name on the credit card. Require the cardholder to personally contact you and verify that the charge is legitimate, and that he or she knows the buyer (the name on the credit card). And don't forget to get the card's security code and billing zipcode. And ship the art only to the address of the cardholder. * Email requests to buy your art, but that do not mention you by name and contain no specific information about either you or your art. * Email requests to do business with you where you are asked to reply to an email address different than the originating address (unless the sender has a verifiable explanation for using an alternate email address). * Anyone who contacts your gallery, agent, or representative claiming that you're in trouble, that you need money, and to send that money to a third party fast-- either by wire transfer or by Western Union. Believe it or not, this scam is actually going around, and I've heard of at least one gallery falling victim to it. * Offers to do business that involve having your art picked up by curriers rather than standard shippers, third-party intermediaries, or shipping to addresses or countries other than where the offers are emanating from. Also watch out for people who make excuses in order to explain why transactions must be completed in unconventional ways. Scam transactions often involve supposed buyers making excuse after excuse in order to justify how the transaction must be made. * Unsolicited communications from anyone you don't know claiming to have a piece or pieces of your art sold, to send them the art, and that they'll pay you either upon receiving it or after they get paid for it. These may occasionally be legitimate, but make sure you get references and verify whom you're dealing with before shipping anything off in the mail. * Unsolicited or unqualified requests to send samples of your art to dealers, galleries, agents, or representatives you're not familiar with. http://www.artbusiness.com/osoqutscawas.html

                                                                    Friday, December 27, 2013

                                                                    Daniel Damascus Kimery's Interiew with International Art Broker and Editor In Chief of Coagula Art Journal Matt Gleason

                                                                                        Matt Gleason: Hello is this Daniel?

                                                                                        Daniel Kimery: Hey Matt thank you so much for calling me. I am truly honored to have such a prominent member of The Art Community call me.

                                                                                        Matt Gleason: Not a problem. So you wanted to talk to me about what is wrong with The Art Industry? Everything and there is nothing that you can do about it.

                                                                                        Daniel Kimery: Ok I know that The Art Industry is totally fucked up right now so let me rephrase my question. What about The Vanity Galleries and the corrosive effect they have had on The Art Industry?

                                                                                        Matt Gleason: We have had to deal with Vanity Galleries all over the country and they almost always fail because they are following a poor business model. You can make much more money by taking half from a Real Artist than from charging an unsellable hack exposure.

                                                                                        Daniel Kimery: Well what about what happened to The Hot Springs Art Scene? We went from making money off of the buyers in Hot Springs to selling exposure to Hacks; Because of Hucksters like Richard Gipe who's business model is about charging Artists for expose rather than for charging buyers for Art.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: What is the population of Hot Springs? Does it have an NFL Football Team?

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: No it doesn't.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Well there is your problem right there. Lack of population equals a lack of demand for Art. Vanity Galleries are everywhere, but they seem to hit small towns the hardest.

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: I agree, but as a former Artist Consultant for The Art Exchange I can say in full confidence that it wasn't just talentless hacks but World Class Artists that were scammed.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: How many Art Galleries are there in Hot Springs?

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: About a dozen?

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Are you kidding me? That's it.

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: Yeah there were more, but about 6 of them went out of business in the last few years since I started up my website.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Ok and out of those 12 how many of them are Vanity Galleries?

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: About a dozen.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Hahahahaha Are you Serious? Out of all of Hot Springs there isn't one real Gallery?

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: Well there was The Xu International Gallery, but that went out of business recently and there is The American Art Gallery and the upper level is The Thomas Kinkade Gallery, but Thomas Kinkade is dead now.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Thomas Kinkade is The Worst American Artist of All Time!

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: How big of a factor would you say that Curriculum Vita plays in The Vanity Gallery Scene?

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: It plays a huge role. Have you heard of The Florence Bineil?

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: I am embarrassed to say this but no.

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: The Florence Bineil is The Largest and most Prestigious Art Expo in The World.

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: Wow

                                                                                       Matt Gleason: Well anyways there is also an Expo called The Venice Bineil that charges for Wall Space. You would think because of the names that they were similar but they are nothing alike. One has some of the best Art in The World and the other is just a bunch of garbage. I was actually fooled at first and was actually impressed when people told me that they were in The Venice Bineil then after I saw their Art I was like hey wait a minute... How much did they charge you? And the guy would be like $5,000.00 and that was when I knew it was a scam.

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: How long have Vanity Galleries been around?
                                                                     
                                                                                       Mat Gleason: Forever.

                                                                                       Daniel Kimery: Well I remember back in the 90's almost all of The Galleries in Hot Springs were Commercial Galleries and then Richard Gipe came to town and the dynamic shifted from Galleries selling Art to Buyers to them selling exposure to Artists. I don't know much about The Art World outside of Hot Springs, but would you say that Vanity Galleries are more common now than they used to be.

                                                                                      Matt Gleason: Oh absolutely. They never last long, but when one goes out of Business two more take their place.

                                                                                      Daniel Kimery: Are there some regions where Vanity Galleries are more common than others?

                                                                                      Matt Gleason: No. They mainly just tend to infect small towns. Do you know who Alan Bamberger is?

                                                                                      Daniel Kimery: No. Who is that?

                                                                    I will add more in a moment. This is a long interview so stay tuned for updates.